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Thread: HB 4200 & 4201 of 2019 - Modify penalties for Concealed Carry of a Pistol in Prohibited Areas

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    from the article
    “If you’re going to do this, people should have more training," Chirkun said.
    I have more training. I don't see the point.
    Does Chirkun have more training than I have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrScaryGuy View Post
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    I have more training. I don't see the point.
    Does Chirkun have more training than I have?
    Do they mean something like the 8-20 hours per YEAR that an average US police officer gets? (some exceptions, as I believe Utah requires 40hr/year). My research shows MI police are not required to log ANY hours, but to simply demonstrate firearms "proficiency". MCOLES does set an advisory standard, but it is just advisory...

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    HB 4200 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; penalties for open-carry of a concealed pistol in prohibited areas; modify. Amends sec. 5o of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425o).
    Last Action: 6/18/2019 referred to Committee on Judiciary, with substitute H-2

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lqs...-4200-417a.PDF


    HB 4201 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4200'19
    Last Action: 6/18/2019 referred to Committee on Judiciary, with substitute H-1

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(asn...-4201-418a.PDF
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    The updated, substitute H2 version of HB 4200 has been modified from the original bill to include provisions for repeat offenders.


    • The first offense is a $250 civil infraction (ticket)


    • The second offense within 5 years of the first is a Misdemeanor with up to 90 days in jail or a fine of up to $1,000 and your CPL "may" (court discretion) be suspended for 1 year.


    • The 3rd offense within a 5 year window is a Felony with up to 2 years in prison and/or a fine of up to $5,000. Your CPL will be revoked.
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    Well, this will probably be more palatable to our Dem Governess. It's still an improvement over what we currently have, but not as good as it could have been.

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    This is so convoluted, it needs to laid out to understand it.

    1st 2nd 3rd
    Current Law $500 6mo Suspend $1000 Revoked $5000 4yr felony Revoked
    Original Bill $100 fine <- Same <- Same
    H2 Substitute $250 Within 5yrs 90days $1000 1yr suspension Within 5yrs $5000 2yr felony Revoked

    I think I copied all of that correctly. If this is supposed to be about reasonable sentencing, They missed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    This is so convoluted, it needs to laid out to understand it.

    1st 2nd 3rd
    Current Law $500 6mo Suspend $1000 Revoked $5000 4yr felony Revoked
    Original Bill $100 fine <- Same <- Same
    H2 Substitute $250 Within 5yrs 90days $1000 1yr suspension Within 5yrs $5000 2yr felony Revoked

    I think I copied all of that correctly. If this is supposed to be about reasonable sentencing, They missed.

    I missed the increase from $100 to $250. You are correct. I edited my post above accordingly.

    H2 basically blew the whole "gain" of this bill, for the most part. The original basically said…go ahead and carry concealed in a no-concealed carry zone…if you get caught, you get a $100 hand slap. If it happens 5x a year…whatever! Your choice…

    Now, we're right back to being a criminal again upon the second offense w/in 5 years.

    The biggest benefit of this now is…first offense is just a $250 ticket…down from $500…and now no suspension.

    FAR FAR from what it started off to be...
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