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    How do you go about registering a AR-15 pistol?

    I'm looking at buying a AR PSA lower and also buying a AR PSA pistol upper how do I go about filling out the paperwork to register it as a pistol?

    Thank you very much!

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    Call MSP records Division. They give out pretty sketchy info on how to use their forms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorman View Post
    I'm looking at buying a AR PSA lower and also buying a AR PSA pistol upper how do I go about filling out the paperwork to register it as a pistol?

    Thank you very much!
    You don't fill out anything. Build and enjoy. There's no legal way to complete the RI60 for self assembled pistols.

    AR Pistol Assembled from parts "registration":

    28.421 Definitions; lawful owning, possessing, carrying, or transporting of pistol greater than 26 inches in length; conditions; firearm not considered as pistol; election.
    Sec. 1.

    (1) As used in this act:

    <snip>

    (j) "Purchaser" means a person who receives a pistol from another person by purchase or gift.

    <snip>

    (p) "Seller" means a person who sells or gives a pistol to another person.

    28.422a Individuals not required to obtain license; completion of record by seller; duties of purchaser; noncompliance as state civil infraction; penalty; entering information into pistol entry database; obtaining copy of information; exemption; material false statement as felony; penalty; rules; verification; definitions.
    Sec. 2a.

    (5) An individual who makes a material false statement on a sales record under this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.


    ***So, is a SARL (stripped AR lower) a firearm? (under state law, not federal) No
    If no, go to the next question.

    ***If a SARL is not a firearm, it should be a safe assumption to assume it is when fully assembled (we'll skip the intermediate steps). So, if the firearm is <= 26", then this is when the SARL becomes a pistol (if not before), and we ask if the paperwork submission requirements apply.

    MCL 28.422(5) and MCL 28.422a(2) are practically identical, so let's just go with the latter.
    (2) If an individual described in subsection (1) purchases or otherwise acquires a pistol, the seller shall complete a record in triplicate on a form provided by the department of state police. The record shall include the purchaser's concealed weapon license number, the number of the purchaser's license or certificate issued under the Michigan commission on law enforcement standards act, 1965 PA 203, MCL 28.601 to 28.615, or, if the purchaser is a federally licensed firearms dealer, his or her dealer license number. If the purchaser is not licensed under section 5b or does not have a license or certificate issued under the Michigan commission on law enforcement standards act, 1965 PA 203, MCL 28.601 to 28.615, and is not a federally licensed firearms dealer, the record shall include the dealer license number of the federally licensed firearms dealer who is selling the pistol. The purchaser shall sign the record. The seller may retain 1 copy of the record. The purchaser shall receive 2 copies of the record and forward 1 copy to the police department of the city, village, or township in which the purchaser resides, or, if the purchaser does not reside in a city, village, or township having a police department, to the county sheriff, within 10 days following the purchase or acquisition. The return of the copy to the police department or county sheriff may be made in person or may be made by first-class mail or certified mail sent within the 10-day period to the proper address of the police department or county sheriff. A purchaser who fails to comply with the requirements of this subsection is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $250.00. If a purchaser is found responsible for a state civil infraction under this subsection, the court shall notify the department of state police. If the purchaser is licensed under section 5b, the court shall notify the licensing authority of that determination.
    ***The requirement kicks in when an individual "purchases or otherwise acquires". Is manufacture (assemble from SARL) otherwise acquire?
    If yes, then we go to the next question.
    If no, then we can stop with an answer of no paperwork needed.

    ***If manufacture does fall under "otherwise acquire", then we look at to whom does the paperwork submission requirement apply. Answer "purchaser" and "seller". Those terms are defined in MCL 28.421:
    (j) "Purchaser" means a person who receives a pistol from another person by purchase or gift.

    (p) "Seller" means a person who sells or gives a pistol to another person.
    ***Does someone who manufactures a pistol (builds from SARL) acquire from "another person"? No. This means that such a person does not fit either the definition of "purchaser" nor the definition of "seller". It is a longstanding principle of statutory construction that when a term is defined in the law, that definition controls. Further, all words are to be given meaning and thus cannot be ignored.

    Therefore, even if we get this far, there is no legal way for such a person to fill out the paperwork. A "seller" must fill out the paperwork, and a "purchaser" must turn it in. Further, if you lie on a form, both MCL 28.422 and 28.422a make it a 4yr felony.
    (5) An individual who makes a material false statement on a sales record under this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

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    GreaseMonkey is 100% correct on this.
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    You dont register pistols that you build. It would be a felony to do so.

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    No, actually, Draken is 100% correct on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
    No, actually, Draken is 100% correct on this.
    Good point!
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    Thank you all very much I really appreciate all the information!

    I thought that it had to be registered because it was a handgun.

    Thanks again everybody!

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