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    AR Pistol ... or NOT ??

    Backstory: Recently ordered and received through a local FFL a POF USA Revolution 12.5” barrel. The rifle came with a vertical foreground and an arm brace from Buds Gun Shop. The paperwork I filled out was the typical papers I fill out for rifles.

    Confusion: on POF website, this firearm is labeled as a pistol. Confused as to why my paperwork wasn’t representative of pistol specific transfer papers, I started researching what defines an AR pistol in 2020 and found myself spinning onto an abyss of overall lengths, where to measure from, whether or not vertical grips are legal , etc.

    Now I have no idea what I even own by legal definition. Did the FFL Receiving and transferring this firearm make a mistake and use incorrect papers? Am I liable for doing the ATF paperwork and paying tax stamp?

    Any guidance would be much appreciated !!

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    Measure from the end of the tube without the brace to the end of the muzzle, without the FH so long as it's not pinned or welded.



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    Thanks so much for the table! It’s clear now that I’m exempt from the NFA rules due to not having a true stock, OAL at 30”, and vertical grip. Loop-hole City haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrejpetro View Post
    Thanks so much for the table! It’s clear now that I’m exempt from the NFA rules due to not having a true stock, OAL at 30”, and vertical grip. Loop-hole City haha
    Per federal law, it's a pistol.
    Per state law, it's not.

    Don't attempt to carry it (e.g., vehicle carry) as a pistol under your CPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
    Per federal law, it's a pistol.
    Per state law, it's not.
    Wrong.
    RIF.
    No Stock / ANY Length Barrel / >26" OAL / WITH VFG.

    [spoiler] FED: Other Firearm / STATE: Firearm [/spoiler]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quads View Post
    Wrong.
    RIF.
    No Stock / ANY Length Barrel / >26" OAL / WITH VFG.

    [spoiler] FED: Other Firearm / STATE: Firearm [/spoiler]
    I didn't realize his had a vertical foreground ... LOLZ.

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    NM.....
    Last edited by Chargerdude70; 07-25-2020 at 05:54 PM. Reason: Found answer elsewhere

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