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    Is there a possibility that President biden will sign an executive order to increase ammo output?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJak View Post
    Is there a possibility that President biden will sign an executive order to increase ammo output?
    If we have a shortage, I'm sure he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    The best/most you can claim as valid estimate numbers is the count on NICS checks. And that, in no way, reflects a count on sales.

    The metric used DOES MATTER!
    Im confused what exactly is it that you're trying to argue or disprove?

    Go to any gun shop and look at the empty shelves, and then tell us after that there are not record gun sales.

    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/..._year.pdf/view

    There's a 40% increase Year over Year in NICS checks for October alone. About a million to be specific. Without november or december even counted, we have already surpassed 2019 on an annual count by 13%. Considering that this a primary tool used in a firearm transaction, its a pretty accurate way of predicting overall market trends, without even needing to count sales by manufacturer, retailer, and gunbroker.

    the metrics overwhelmingly support his point, regardless of what you choose to measure by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AleksanderSuave View Post
    Im confused what exactly is it that you're trying to argue or disprove?

    Go to any gun shop and look at the empty shelves, and then tell us after that there are not record gun sales.

    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/..._year.pdf/view

    There's a 40% increase Year over Year in NICS checks for October alone. About a million to be specific. Without november or december even counted, we have already surpassed 2019 on an annual count by 13%. Considering that this a primary tool used in a firearm transaction, its a pretty accurate way of predicting overall market trends, without even needing to count sales by manufacturer, retailer, and gunbroker.

    the metrics overwhelmingly support his point, regardless of what you choose to measure by.
    And you aren't even counting private sales with no NICS check required.

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    " Is there a possibility that President biden will sign an executive order to increase ammo output?"

    only if he can add a extra tax on it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    The best/most you can claim as valid estimate numbers is the count on NICS checks. And that, in no way, reflects a count on sales.

    The metric used DOES MATTER!
    If you compare NICS checks month to month, year to year, you get a very accurate gun sale trend. Unless you think there is a significant anomaly where private or illegal sales are suddenly way out of proportion.

    Given the increased number of first time buyers, and that first time buyers are more likely to seek a sales person than roam about the classifieds for their first purchase, one can infer that FFL sales have increased as a proportion to total sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmuskier View Post
    If you compare NICS checks month to month, year to year, you get a very accurate gun sale trend. Unless you think there is a significant anomaly where private or illegal sales are suddenly way out of proportion.

    Given the increased number of first time buyers, and that first time buyers are more likely to seek a sales person than roam about the classifieds for their first purchase, one can infer that FFL sales have increased as a proportion to total sales.
    And I would think a lot of those NICS checks are gun owners that sold something privately and are replacing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJak View Post
    Is there a possibility that President biden will sign an executive order to increase ammo output?
    Maybe. But pigs will fly out of my butt first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckerdave397 View Post
    Maybe. But pigs will fly out of my butt first.
    Will I need a license to harvest them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmuskier View Post
    If you compare NICS checks month to month, year to year, you get a very accurate gun sale trend.
    All that you have is a count of NICS checks. There is no published correlation between sales and checks.
    The number of sales per check is not recorded nor limited, nor required. Many States also use the NICS system for other things. Michigan uses it (as a matter of law) for part of the CPL background check.

    Not accurate, nor just for sales. It can be used at a "suggestive" level only. And the original point, there is no national registration.


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