Obtaining an old pistol sales record

[somecrazygreek]

The dealer is full of it. There's no legal requirement for what they're asking. Honestly, take your business elsewhere.

You can however go to your local PD and request everything that was in your name, however the original form isn't kept.

This is one of the reasons that I had you ship a few guns for me, Center Mass wouldn't ship anything unless I had the ORIGINAL purchase permit. I offered to go to the local PD and have them print out the registration paperwork that shows that I handed in an RI60 for that gun, they said that doesn't work. One of the many reasons I don't go there anymore sadly.

[Ol` Joe]

I’ve been told some dealers have been burnt on trades when the guns have turned up later being stolen and that is the reason they want proof of ownership.
I understand both sides of the coin but, realize not everyone keeps their old papers or has lost them in fires, moves etc. it’s another good reason for dropping registration

[sadaddy]

This is the dumbest shhh I've ever heard. Our states laws are infringing enough without supposed '2A businesses' pulling this crap.

[slingshot77]

I’ve been told some dealers have been burnt on trades when the guns have turned up later being stolen and that is the reason they want proof of ownership.
I understand both sides of the coin but, realize not everyone keeps their old papers or has lost them in fires, moves etc. it’s another good reason for dropping registration

That sounds good on paper and probably gives them the warm fuzzies but anybody can make, then print out, a fake RI-060 (purchaser copy) in under 2 minutes on the internet.

Not likely someone that has a legal gun to trade in would do but if the guy stole the gun, then making a bogus RI-060 is right up his/her alley.

[somecrazygreek]

That sounds good on paper and probably gives them the warm fuzzies but anybody can make, then print out, a fake RI-060 (purchaser copy) in under 2 minutes on the internet.

Not likely someone that has a legal gun to trade in would do but if the guy stole the gun, then making a bogus RI-060 is right up his/her alley.

Especially now that the new RI60's don't require SELLER signature, just buyer, you can literally just walk out to your car and fill one out in 10 seconds and hand it to the gun store.

Not sure that whole "guns have turned out to be stolen" excuse is valid, considering the fact that you take the drivers license of people who sell/trade/ship/buy guns from you, so you'll always know who to go after if it turns out to be stolen.

An Ri60 doesn't protect you anymore, it just annoys your customers.

[BillR]

I thought it used to be that you had to retain the RI-060 copy for 30 days. Now i see it says on the RI-060 form this :
"The Purchaser shall return the Licensing Authority Copy to the Sheriff’s Office or
Local Police Department within 10 days of purchase or transfer. The purchaser shall
retain the Purchaser Copy. "

[PhotoTom]

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-422a

28.422a (3) (in part):

The purchaser may carry, use, possess, and transport the pistol for 30 days beginning on the date of purchase or acquisition only while he or she is in possession of his or her copy of the record. However, the person is not required to have the record in his or her possession while carrying, using, possessing, or transporting the pistol after this period.

[pscipio03]

As others have stated, original RI-60 means nothing and would only work if I were the original owner who bought it from a dealer new.
Had I purchased that pistol from another MI resident, you have no idea the lineage. So, yeah, here's the original RI-60, but turns out the previous owner bought it from a guy who had stolen it.
Crap like this and one-person FFLs who collect tax for a transfer just make it more and more of a hassle to enjoy this pastime.
Oh, and Fudds, too. Can't have a post without bringing up those mouthbreathers.

[Coctailer]

Nazi dealers that ask "papers please" should be avoided.
They support gun control.

[30thirty06]

There are also those of us that are transplants from other states (PA and VA specifically) which don't have an RI60 or equivalent...
It's a ******** policy and I would avoid doing further business with them too.