What was the original reason that we are so different than states out west or down south? I never heard it explained.
Then there is even less difference with neighboring states what was this all about, couldn't it be solved by letting you use anything if you are in a tree blind, if you miss it goes in the ground.
This right here is why we can't go that route, we would be painting ourselves into the corner.
"Oh I'm sorry Mr Josh, but I can't test this here and have to take it to a lab for testing and of course we CAN'T just take your word for it, so we are going to jail you and confiscate everything you have with you right now. Have a great day!"
Laws like this give them MORE power, and we need to be working to weaken what they are able to do to us.
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That's what I've always believed to be the reason for the shotgun only zone.
The numbers in the OP really mean nothing to the layman. A trajectories chart would make the best point.I would maybe concentrate the argument more on a comparison of trajectories of the rounds requesting to be added to the ones currently allowed. Comparing trajectories and energies of the chosen rounds in your chart should demonstrate the point you are trying to make. A nice overlay with the plotted trajectories of each of the rounds would be a good addition. People understand and remember pictures much better than raw data.
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Anyone here care to post a (mostly) exhaustive chart that would include calibers that we're talking about as well as maybe some calibers that we KNOW have trajectories that could shoot into the next county? I'd sure use it in Lansing. Planning on being there next Tuesday to make the case.
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Here's a quick chart I threw together with one example of each cartridge. Not exactly exhaustive, but it's a starting point. I tried to keep manufacturer/product line consistent as much as possible so it's a fair-ish comparison. Cartridges highlighted in green are currently legal in the Limited Firearm Deer Zone. Blue highlights are some of the cartridges we've discussed here with similar ballistics to what's currently legal. Red are "next county" cartridges.
Here's a chart showing the trajectories of each. Sorry it's hard to read and the color coding is all too similar; best I could do with a free tool (Shooter's Calculator).
https://i.imgur.com/PzPnZkM.png
Here's a less crowded chart with just a sampling of the cartridges.
If you'd like a different arrangement, different ranges, etc. let me know.
I'm realizing now it would be good if I added labels to the end of each trajectory on the right so you don't have to rely on the barely legible color coding. I have to go now, but I'll come back later and upload updated versions with labels.