HB 4138, 4142 & 4143 of 2023 - Require license or background check for purchase of firearms

[PhotoTom]

HB 4138 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; license or background check for purchase of firearms; require. Amends secs. 2, 2a, 2b, 12 & 14a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 et seq.).
Last Action: 3/15/2023 Analysis File Added

HB 4142 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; references to pistol in penal code; update. Amends secs. 223 & 232a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.223 & 750.232a). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4138'23
Last Action: 3/15/2023 Analysis File Added

HB 4143 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; references in sentencing guidelines; update. Amends secs. 11b & 16m, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b & 777.16m). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4138'23
Last Action: 3/15/2023 Analysis File Added

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...SFA-4138-L.pdf

[Outlander]

So am a reading this wrong to believe that there are not really any changes for a CPL holder or his family?

[PhotoTom]

So am a reading this wrong to believe that there are not really any changes for a CPL holder or his family?

The responsibility to submit the completed paperwork (either a LTP or RI-060, depending on unchanged circumstances) for a pistol shifts from the purchaser, back to the seller (it was the seller's responsibility until a number of years back when it was changed to the purchaser's responsibility). The civil infraction and associated fine for not submitting the completed paperwork for pistols shifts to the seller.

The out-of-state carry permit (resident or non-resident) exception for submitting the paperwork still applies (additionally, for a NON CPL holder, the exception to the entire requirement to get a LTP still applies), but being that the responsibility to submit the paperwork shifts from the purchaser to the seller, it is easy to foresee that there will be sellers that refuse to recognize the exception and will insist on submitting the paperwork anyway.

[klobbermeister]

The responsibility to submit the completed paperwork (either a LTP or RI-060, depending on unchanged circumstances) for a pistol shifts from the purchaser, back to the seller (it was the seller's responsibility until a number of years back when it was changed to the purchaser's responsibility). The civil infraction and associated fine for not submitting the completed paperwork for pistols shifts to the seller.

Thanks for pointing that part out...had not caught it.

[Corsten]

Passed in same form by both houses, so done deal.

Looks like CPL provision remains in place as an exception for needing the RI-10 Permit to Purchase or its new equivalent, but the flip-flop of who mails in the RI-60 seems to knock out some of the benefit of the out-of-state CPL.

[DEVIL DOG]

Passed in same form by both houses, so done deal.

, but the flip-flop of who mails in the RI-60 seems to knock out some of the benefit of the out-of-state CPL.

Was just a matter of time.

[Scandiacus]

I'm relieved that the final version only requires a license to "purchase" a long gun, and not to also "acquire" one as in previous versions. Am I correct in assuming this would leave the door open to loaning and otherwise sharing long guns with friends and family, as long as no money changes hands?

[PhotoTom]

HB 4138 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; license or background check for purchase of firearms; require. Amends secs. 2, 2a, 2b, 12 & 14a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 et seq.).
3/23/2023 REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT(S)
3/23/2023 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING
3/23/2023 RULES SUSPENDED
3/23/2023 PLACED ON IMMEDIATE PASSAGE
3/23/2023 PASSED ROLL CALL # 115 YEAS 20 NAYS 18 EXCUSED 0 NOT VOTING 0
3/23/2023 returned from Senate without amendment
3/23/2023 bill ordered enrolled

3/22/2023 Analysis File Added
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...8-056A1A5D.pdf



HB 4142 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; references to pistol in penal code; update. Amends secs. 223 & 232a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.223 & 750.232a).
3/23/2023 REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT(S)
3/23/2023 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING
3/23/2023 RULES SUSPENDED
3/23/2023 PLACED ON IMMEDIATE PASSAGE
3/23/2023 PASSED ROLL CALL # 116 YEAS 20 NAYS 18 EXCUSED 0 NOT VOTING 0
3/23/2023 INSERTED FULL TITLE
3/23/2023 returned from Senate without amendment with full title
3/23/2023 full title agreed to
3/23/2023 bill ordered enrolled

3/22/2023 Analysis File Added



HB 4143 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; references in sentencing guidelines; update. Amends secs. 11b & 16m, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b & 777.16m).
3/23/2023 REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITH SUBSTITUTE (S-1)
3/23/2023 SUBSTITUTE (S-1) CONCURRED IN
3/23/2023 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE (S-1)
3/23/2023 RULES SUSPENDED
3/23/2023 PLACED ON IMMEDIATE PASSAGE
3/23/2023 PASSED ROLL CALL # 117 YEAS 20 NAYS 18 EXCUSED 0 NOT VOTING 0
3/23/2023 INSERTED FULL TITLE
3/23/2023 returned from Senate with substitute (S-1) with full title
3/23/2023 laid over one day under the rules

3/22/2023 Analysis File Added

[diesel72]

I'm confused. What does this change for me, as a MI CPL holder that only buys from FFL's?

[Scandiacus]

Nothing, except that the FFL will send in your registration paperwork for you now.