HB 4146 & 4148 of 2023 - Prohibit purchase of firearms if individual has an extreme risk protection order

[PhotoTom]

HB 4146 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; purchase of firearms; prohibit if individual has an extreme risk protection order. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 3/1/2023 bill electronically reproduced 03/01/2023

HB 4148 of 2023
Criminal procedure: sentencing guidelines; guidelines for making a false statement in support of an extreme risk protection order; enact. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 3/1/2023 bill electronically reproduced 03/01/2023

[PhotoTom]

Analysis file added:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...5-459A1E4D.pdf

[AleksanderSuave]

Tom,
Is MGO active in any efforts against this?

[PhotoTom]

Tom,
Is MGO active in any efforts against this?

Answered in the Members Only forum:
https://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?499884

[PhotoTom]

HB 4146 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; purchase of firearms; prohibit if individual has an extreme risk protection order. Amends secs. 2, 2b, 5b & 8 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 et seq.). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 4/12/2023 referred to second reading

HB 4148 of 2023
Criminal procedure: sentencing guidelines; guidelines for making a false statement in support of an extreme risk protection order; enact. Amends 1927 PA 175 (MCL 760.1 - 777.69) by adding sec. 15e to ch. XVII. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 4/12/2023 referred to second reading
Substitute Bill: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg....4148-0N295.pdf

[Omni]

Interesting that based on current automatic expungement being 92 days, all penalties in this are 93 days. If ERPO's are needed to save lives, why does it only affect firearms, not vehicles, drugs, carbon monoxide, and sooo many other ways people hurt themselves and others?

[PhotoTom]

HB 4146 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; purchase of firearms; prohibit if individual has an extreme risk protection order. Amends secs. 2, 2b, 5b & 8 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 et seq.). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 4/13/2023 transmitted

HB 4148 of 2023
Criminal procedure: sentencing guidelines; guidelines for making a false statement in support of an extreme risk protection order; enact. Amends 1927 PA 175 (MCL 760.1 - 777.69) by adding sec. 15e to ch. XVII. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 4/13/2023 transmitted

Both bills are now in the Senate's hands.

[PhotoTom]

HB 4146 of 2023
Weapons: firearms; purchase of firearms; prohibit if individual has an extreme risk protection order. Amends secs. 2, 2b, 5b & 8 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 et seq.). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0083'23
Last Action: 4/26/2023 bill ordered enrolled

HB 4148 of 2023
Criminal procedure: sentencing guidelines; guidelines for making a false statement in support of an extreme risk protection order; enact. Amends 1927 PA 175 (MCL 760.1 - 777.69) by adding sec. 15e to ch. XVII. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4145'23
Last Action: 4/26/2023 bill ordered enrolled

Lots of movement on each bill, details in the above links.

[Scary Guy]

Interesting that based on current automatic expungement being 92 days, all penalties in this are 93 days. If ERPO's are needed to save lives, why does it only affect firearms, not vehicles, drugs, carbon monoxide, and sooo many other ways people hurt themselves and others?

This was my thinking. Why are they leaving them with a two-ton guided missile?

What is an "extreme risk" anyway? Just sounds like weasel words to me that can mean whatever they want.

Who are they protecting also? If it's someone from themselves then there are many other ways that one can end their own life without a firearm, and if they take away someone's firearms then they could possibly take that as a challenge to do so. Not to mention death by cop has been a thing for as long as there have been cops. "We had to shoot him to prevent him from hurting himself."

If they're protecting the public at large then why leave them walking around free anyway? What if they have access to guns or bomb making materials that the cops do not know about? You've just potentially angered and angry person and I doubt they're going to stop being angry even after the waiting period is up.

Also why is precrime a thing? I guess none of us should be surprised though since it's been 1984 for a very long time now.

[Flash-hider]

If ERPO's are needed to save lives, why does it only affect firearms, not vehicles, drugs, carbon monoxide, and sooo many other ways people hurt themselves and others?

Because none of the other one's you speak of are a threat to government power.